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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 01-23-2012, 10:59 AM Thread Starter
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Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

Good morning!

I have been lurking for a week or so now, reading and researching...

I figured it was time to introduce myself.

My name is Chuck Colfax, I am a Professional Firefighter in Henrico County, VA.

And I am considering buying a pre-owned 2008 OUTLOOK XE FWD.

Unfortunately this will be my second car purchase in six months...

See, I am more of a big tires, big V8 kinda guy... but the reality of $3.50+ gas set in last summer.

So I sold my 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited. Yeah. A 360 from the factory. Only +/- 14,000 of them made. 2.5" OME spings, ProComp MX-6 shocks, MOPAR Performance "kegger" intake and ECU, K&N FIPK II, MSD & Magnacore ignition, 3" cat-back with a 3" Flowmaster 40-Series. 161,000 miles and still fast, strong and loud.

The 5.9 was my DD, and that Magnum 360 LOVES it's 93 octane fuel!

Did I really need to drive a lifted, hot-rodded V8 to run back and for the to the firehouse ten days a month and to take my kids to daycare?

Prolly not.

So I bought a 2011 KIA SOUL+ in August 2011.

In the five months I have had it, I have come to love the little blue Hamster Wagon.

It is a quirky, econo-wagon. But is actually a pretty good “driver’s car” too. Reminds me a little of the early-90's Golf's.

The wife has a 2004 Malibu LS V6 with 80k miles on it that is long since paid for and just got treated to new struts, shocks, brakes, TRE's and tires.

All was well until we found out she was preggo with kid #3.

And we do not have a vehicle that can carry three kids in Child Safety Seats (kid #1 is 3 1/2, kid #2 is almost 2).

Not to mention all the "stuff" that three kids require...

We had explored the Outlook / Acadia several years ago and they were more money than we wanted to spend.

But have kept up with them since we really liked the vehicle.

The OUTLOOK we are looking at is a 2008 XE FWD.
43K miles.
Sunroofs.
Captains chairs
Roofrack.
Dark blue (dunno what the "official" color name is) with the grey cloth interior.

We would prefer the AWD, but this one hits every other point we were looking for at a good price.
Carmax has it for $19,599.

Have read a lot about the timing chain issues.

Any ideas at what mileage they seem to crop up?

I should have the remainder of the factory 5-yr / 100K powertrain warranty.

And don't want to cough up another $1500 for Carmax's extended warranty.

Any other known major issues I should look for?

And yes, as soon as I take possession it will go to a GM dealer and have the VIN run for Recalls and TSB's.

And yes, because of the kind of guy I am I will change all the fluids right away too.

I am not a professional driver, or a certified technician or anything like that, just a guy who LOVES cars and has for as long as I can remember.

(My dad was a “car guy” too…)

I have had a diverse collection of vehicles, and am pretty good at being objective.

I have gone thru a “Muscle Car” stage… One of my first cars was a 78 Camaro with a 305 and a 4-speed. I quickly realized that not all V8’s are equal and that the 305 was a dog. So it was sold and replaced with a 70 Ford Torino GT with a 351 Cleveland. Now THAT was a car…

I have gone thru a “Ricer” stage… Can you say 2nd Gen Eagle Talon TSi (Mitsu Eclipse GS-T) and 3rd Gen Acura Integra GS-R?

And a “Lifted SUV” stage… The 98 Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited mentioned previously as well as a 94 XJ on 33's.

As well as multiple “daily driver” type vehicles over the years.

The rest of the current fleet consists of:

1995 Jeep Wrangler. 3.5" springs, 1" shackle, 1" body, 35 x 12.50 Interco TrXus MT's, 4.88's.

1992 F150 2wd. 302. Explorer GT-40 heads, upper and lower intake. Flowtech longtube headers, custom 2.5" Y-pipe, single cat, Thrush welded muffler, NASCAR-style side dump in front of rear axle. F350 front coils, F250 rear leafs, 31 x 10.50 x 15 BFG AT's. Plans include a bigger cam and a MAF-conversion.


-cmc-

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post #2 of 33 (permalink) Old 01-23-2012, 11:23 AM
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Re: Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

And yes, as soon as I take possession it will go to a GM dealer and have the VIN run for Recalls and TSB's.

You would be smart to get the VIN number now, and have it checked here by the Customer Service Rep or someone else who may have access to that info. You might even know someone at a GM dealership locally who can check it for you, or just ask the service manager.

I would not purchase a pre-owned 2008 Lambda (Enclave, Acadia, or Outlook) until after seeing the history of it. Those 2008 models had some first and second year bugs, such as leaking sun roofs, cam sensor problems, cam shafts which had to be shimmed, and more. Now not all of them of course had those problems.

For almost $20000.00, I would do ALL my checking before the purchase, not after! I believe Car Max provides a CarFax with their used cars, correct? If so, I would also pay the $30.00 or so to check Auto Check, or other such reporting companies. Many times, one will have info the other doesn't.

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post #3 of 33 (permalink) Old 01-23-2012, 12:18 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

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And yes, as soon as I take possession it will go to a GM dealer and have the VIN run for Recalls and TSB's.

You would be smart to get the VIN number now, and have it checked here by the Customer Service Rep or someone else who may have access to that info. You might even know someone at a GM dealership locally who can check it for you, or just ask the service manager.

I would not purchase a pre-owned 2008 Lambda (Enclave, Acadia, or Outlook) until after seeing the history of it. Those 2008 models had some first and second year bugs, such as leaking sun roofs, cam sensor problems, cam shafts which had to be shimmed, and more. Now not all of them of course had those problems.

For almost $20000.00, I would do ALL my checking before the purchase, not after! I believe Car Max provides a CarFax with their used cars, correct? If so, I would also pay the $30.00 or so to check Auto Check, or other such reporting companies. Many times, one will have info the other doesn't.
Hmmm... a GM Customer Service Rep on here?

That would check a VIN / Vehicle History?

WOW. Cool.

That is new to me!

How would I get in touch with them?

(And I am a member of a number of vehicle enthusiast forums!)

Yes, Carmax provides an AutoCheck report... and that shows a clean title, etc... but not Recall or TSB issues.

I don't have any connections at GM dealerships, and was under the impression that they couldn't or wouldn't run a VIN unless you were the registered owner.

Thanks!

-cmc-

The Family Hauler: 2008 Outlook XE FWD<br />The Commuter: 2004 Malibu LS <br />The Toy: 1995 Wrangler on 35's<br />The Truck: 1992 F-150
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Re: Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

yeah- the item that caught my eye was the sunroof... leaks.

get that VIN number- and contact the service rep on here or the acadia/enclave/traverse forum.

You may want to check out the acadia/enclave forum as they also sold 2008 models. theyre practically kissing cousins.

the service reps are on there too.


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Re: Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

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yeah- the item that caught my eye was the sunroof... leaks.

get that VIN number- and contact the service rep on here or the acadia/enclave/traverse forum.

You may want to check out the acadia/enclave forum as they also sold 2008 models. theyre practically kissing cousins.

the service reps are on there too.

I PM'ed the CSR...

Sunroof leaks... same story I have read on countless vehicle forums... including the SOUL when I bought it... drain tubes get clogged or come disconnected, right?

I will be on the lookout for evidence of water intrusion as soon as I can put hands on the car...

(It is enroute from Raleigh to Richmond right now.)

Been nosing around the Acadia forum too... since we have gone back and forthe btwn the two.

Have not registered over there yet though.

Referrence the timing chain issues... is there a mileage point where they seem to crop up?

Lik Honda's and Mitsu's... if you don't change the timing belt on them at 80K you WILL end up broken...

Thanky!

-cmc-

The Family Hauler: 2008 Outlook XE FWD<br />The Commuter: 2004 Malibu LS <br />The Toy: 1995 Wrangler on 35's<br />The Truck: 1992 F-150
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Re: Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

the problem with the sunroof leak on the Lambdas-- is that theres a little drain hose- that leaks- but it tends to cause water to fall on some electronics in the dash area-- causing electrical gremlins.
those are the pesky ones.

as for chains--- Im not sure theres a set mileage.
Weve seen early mileage and later milage- 100K+ on pre 2009.

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Re: Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

Swung by Carmax today to look at the OUTLOOK... it came in on the truck from NC yesterday.

Nice color!

Dark metallic blue, interior is light grey.

Anyone know what that would have been called in '08?

Can't get anyone to run the VIN since I am not (yet) the Registered Owner.

Yes, I PM'ed the GM CSR on here and she was very helpful.

But still can't run the VIN thru GMVIS since I don't own the vehicle.

Everything works, no rust or other damage on the undercarriage or exhaust.

Two brand new GY Fortera's on the front.

Rears measure 8/32-9/32 and are obviously the original tires.

(I wouldn't have put the GY's back on it, but am not gonna complain!)

No floormats.

OK, it has a generic, parts-store / Wally-World set... in TAN.

I guess they threw whatever they had in it to say it has floormats.

Found a "Titanium" and a "Black" set on E-Bay... may pick them up, just not sure if the "Titanium" is the right color.

Looking like a Saturday morning delivery...

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Re: Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

The light gray interior is the titanium. I have that in my Enclave.

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Re: Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

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Swung by Carmax today to look at the OUTLOOK... it came in on the truck from NC yesterday.

Nice color!

Dark metallic blue, interior is light grey.

Anyone know what that would have been called in '08?

Can't get anyone to run the VIN since I am not (yet) the Registered Owner.

Yes, I PM'ed the GM CSR on here and she was very helpful.

But still can't run the VIN thru GMVIS since I don't own the vehicle.

Everything works, no rust or other damage on the undercarriage or exhaust.

Two brand new GY Fortera's on the front.

Rears measure 8/32-9/32 and are obviously the original tires.

(I wouldn't have put the GY's back on it, but am not gonna complain!)

No floormats.

OK, it has a generic, parts-store / Wally-World set... in TAN.

I guess they threw whatever they had in it to say it has floormats.

Found a "Titanium" and a "Black" set on E-Bay... may pick them up, just not sure if the "Titanium" is the right color.

Looking like a Saturday morning delivery...

-cmc-
http://service.gm.com/dealerworld/vi...-09%20r1.1.pdf

Click on the link, scroll down to light duty trucks. You can pick the vin codes that match your vehicle to match all the options.

As a side note, posting the same comments and questions in several posts is not going to go to far except to annoy other users. The questions I answered for you in these last to posts came from googling your requests, i.e. "gm vin codes 08" and "saturn outlook 08 model year paint colors".

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Re: Potential future OUTLOOK owner here...

I'd tell CarMax that they ought to contact a local GM Dealer / Saturn Authorized Service Dealer and run the VIN and have it ready to review by Saturday. No repair summary, no deal until there is one.

You want to know if there have been sunroof leaks, all kind of things go bad if there have been and there have been many reports of them not getting fixed well.




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