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post #41 of 53 (permalink) Old 07-12-2010, 10:50 AM
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Hmm, you'd think it'd be more cost effective for GM to install $2.00 worth of resistors to change the output voltage going into the heater like I did. This way the heater is set 20 degrees cooler on average than what it was. 200+ degrees is way too hot and not necesary. Why they designed it like that in the first place I'll never know.
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Hmmm interesting

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Hmm, you'd think it'd be more cost effective for GM to install $2.00 worth of resistors to change the output voltage going into the heater like I did. This way the heater is set 20 degrees cooler on average than what it was. 200+ degrees is way too hot and not necesary. Why they designed it like that in the first place I'll never know.
If GM thought $2 of resistors would do the trick I think that's what they would do but they (GM) do not think like that so we get the HWF removed and $100. Take it or leave it, as soon as you have to go in for service work it's getting done and if you dont get it done by the deadline (dont know an exact date?) and your car burns up you'll be SOL but true.




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Just had mine done today, supposedly the 'check is in the mail...'

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Recall was performed last Wednesday. Received $100 check in the mail on Saturday.

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If GM thought $2 of resistors would do the trick I think that's what they would do but they (GM) do not think like that so we get the HWF removed and $100. Take it or leave it, as soon as you have to go in for service work it's getting done and if you dont get it done by the deadline (dont know an exact date?) and your car burns up you'll be SOL but true.
Not so. Look at GM. Have they always done the right things? The problem is that GM engineers didn't engineer or build this heater. They had a 3rd party to do it. Therefore they felt it was cheaper and easier to hack it out then give customers $100 when in fact this isn't true. My guess is the problem on these heaters is that the specs called out for the resistors for the heater element were not all with in tolerance. This caused a small amount of heaters to exceed the thermal barriers of the plastic housings.

Heating washer fluid to say 125 degrees is plenty warm to help aid the removal of snow/ice. What was happening is that some heaters were going up to the boiling point. Doesn't sound too harmful except this heater is an induction style found on tankless water heaters in homes. Excessive heat and continual usage can cause it to melt.

I checked mine and got a thermal reading of about 168 degrees. After my modification it is now around 119 to 120 degrees.
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You modded your heated washer module? Interesting approach

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Not so. Look at GM. Have they always done the right things? The problem is that GM engineers didn't engineer or build this heater. They had a 3rd party to do it. Therefore they felt it was cheaper and easier to hack it out then give customers $100 when in fact this isn't true. My guess is the problem on these heaters is that the specs called out for the resistors for the heater element were not all with in tolerance. This caused a small amount of heaters to exceed the thermal barriers of the plastic housings.

Heating washer fluid to say 125 degrees is plenty warm to help aid the removal of snow/ice. What was happening is that some heaters were going up to the boiling point. Doesn't sound too harmful except this heater is an induction style found on tankless water heaters in homes. Excessive heat and continual usage can cause it to melt.

I checked mine and got a thermal reading of about 168 degrees. After my modification it is now around 119 to 120 degrees.
I'm affraid that even after your mod that when you go in for something the dealer will take it out and there's nothing you can do about it. It's a recall and they have to perform it .




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Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

There has been mention on the Enclave forum that you might be able to waiver the removal (at your risk); who knows though

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post #50 of 53 (permalink) Old 07-28-2010, 09:36 PM
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As an owner, you can always opt out of a recall. My dad did with his Harley Ford F150 years ago. Now on this heater washer mechanism it is just like any other heater element. Simular as those in a heating pad like in heated seats. Change the resistance going to the coil(s) changes the amount of heat they can generate. Do I still have a potential fire risk? Compared to a complete removal of the system; sure.
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