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07-30-2010 09:46 PM
jsimms
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

Received some new info from a reliable source

A T labor code for customers who refuse to have the recall performed. This labor code will NOT close the recall. If a customer refuses to have the recall performed, dealers are to provide the customer with a copy of the "Notice to Customer" document contained in this bulletin, record on the repair order "customer declined recall repair" and, if possible, have the customer sign the repair order. Request that the letter be placed in the vehicle glovebox for future reference by subsequent owners. If at a later date the customer, or a new owner, decides to have the recall performed, perform the repair and submit the claim using the appropriate V labor code.
07-30-2010 08:33 AM
6Sixathome
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

Quote:
Originally Posted by ponchonutty
As an owner, you can always opt out of a recall. My dad did with his Harley Ford F150 years ago. Now on this heater washer mechanism it is just like any other heater element. Simular as those in a heating pad like in heated seats. Change the resistance going to the coil(s) changes the amount of heat they can generate. Do I still have a potential fire risk? Compared to a complete removal of the system; sure.
It's not worth the risk. IMO



07-29-2010 06:15 AM
khansen30
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

Quote:
Originally Posted by ponchonutty
As an owner, you can always opt out of a recall. My dad did with his Harley Ford F150 years ago. Now on this heater washer mechanism it is just like any other heater element. Simular as those in a heating pad like in heated seats. Change the resistance going to the coil(s) changes the amount of heat they can generate. Do I still have a potential fire risk? Compared to a complete removal of the system; sure.
Good luck with that. Not being able to opt out is why I don't have my Outlook anymore. Dealer would not listen to me when I didn't want the sunroof drain hose recall done (had been done before the recall and no leaks, they did it anyway, did it wrong, leaked even worse, ruined headliner, etc...). If it can be dangerous to others (car catching fire while going down road causing you to potentially wreck, hit someone else, etc...) it must be done.

Now, if we can just get a recall on some if not most drivers I would feel even safer.
07-28-2010 09:36 PM
ponchonutty
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

As an owner, you can always opt out of a recall. My dad did with his Harley Ford F150 years ago. Now on this heater washer mechanism it is just like any other heater element. Simular as those in a heating pad like in heated seats. Change the resistance going to the coil(s) changes the amount of heat they can generate. Do I still have a potential fire risk? Compared to a complete removal of the system; sure.
07-28-2010 10:25 AM
jsimms
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

There has been mention on the Enclave forum that you might be able to waiver the removal (at your risk); who knows though
07-27-2010 10:07 PM
6Sixathome
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

Quote:
Originally Posted by ponchonutty
Not so. Look at GM. Have they always done the right things? The problem is that GM engineers didn't engineer or build this heater. They had a 3rd party to do it. Therefore they felt it was cheaper and easier to hack it out then give customers $100 when in fact this isn't true. My guess is the problem on these heaters is that the specs called out for the resistors for the heater element were not all with in tolerance. This caused a small amount of heaters to exceed the thermal barriers of the plastic housings.

Heating washer fluid to say 125 degrees is plenty warm to help aid the removal of snow/ice. What was happening is that some heaters were going up to the boiling point. Doesn't sound too harmful except this heater is an induction style found on tankless water heaters in homes. Excessive heat and continual usage can cause it to melt.

I checked mine and got a thermal reading of about 168 degrees. After my modification it is now around 119 to 120 degrees.
I'm affraid that even after your mod that when you go in for something the dealer will take it out and there's nothing you can do about it. It's a recall and they have to perform it .



07-26-2010 06:39 PM
jsimms
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

poncho

You modded your heated washer module? Interesting approach
07-26-2010 05:51 PM
ponchonutty
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

Quote:
Originally Posted by 6Sixathome
If GM thought $2 of resistors would do the trick I think that's what they would do but they (GM) do not think like that so we get the HWF removed and $100. Take it or leave it, as soon as you have to go in for service work it's getting done and if you dont get it done by the deadline (dont know an exact date?) and your car burns up you'll be SOL but true.
Not so. Look at GM. Have they always done the right things? The problem is that GM engineers didn't engineer or build this heater. They had a 3rd party to do it. Therefore they felt it was cheaper and easier to hack it out then give customers $100 when in fact this isn't true. My guess is the problem on these heaters is that the specs called out for the resistors for the heater element were not all with in tolerance. This caused a small amount of heaters to exceed the thermal barriers of the plastic housings.

Heating washer fluid to say 125 degrees is plenty warm to help aid the removal of snow/ice. What was happening is that some heaters were going up to the boiling point. Doesn't sound too harmful except this heater is an induction style found on tankless water heaters in homes. Excessive heat and continual usage can cause it to melt.

I checked mine and got a thermal reading of about 168 degrees. After my modification it is now around 119 to 120 degrees.
07-26-2010 12:34 AM
Tim
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems

Recall was performed last Wednesday. Received $100 check in the mail on Saturday.
07-17-2010 12:07 AM
bloc0102
Re: GM recall-Lambda's with heated washer systems


Just had mine done today, supposedly the 'check is in the mail...'
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