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All I am happy with my Used 08 Outlook, but a few things have been bugging me since I bought and I’m curious if anyone had solutions/feedback.

Air bag on passenger side shows turned when someone is in the seat. Has there ever been a re-call on this?


Accelerator is sticky in that when you are going around 60 you really got to step on it to get to 65. And can be hard to hold at 65. I was told by the dealer this is supposed to be like this as the computer is saving fuel and you have to step on it ask for power. He said it was a common complaint when the Acadia first came out.


Finally, it has a bouncy ride. I was told again by the dealer that I am used to a car and that the tires are huge so of course I will feel this. I had another garage check the shocks and he said they were fine. I don’t know seems like too much bounce for a passenger vehicle.
 

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I may at least be able to help you with one of your questions. I think earlier models had a wire under the front seat that would make a poor connection. There were also a few that had wires which would get broken that were under the carpet on the passenger side. Your GM dealer should have a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) on this problem.

The ride could be tires overinflated, bad struts and/or shocks, weak springs, etc. Really hard to say with driving or looking at the car.

The gas pedal answer sounds like BS to me. I have never heard or seen that on any of these discussion boards. You might want to join the other forums which are located at the top right (Enclave, Traverse, Acadia). They have much more activity than here on the Saturn board. You can use your same user name and password to sign up on each of the other boards.

Signing up will allow you to see any pictures posted. Search each board and you will find many questions answered.

Oh, by the way. Welcome :cheers:
 

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When youre in Drive and say 6th gear-- essentially overdrive- and doing about 1700 rpm... to make a quick pass- you have to really step on it-- and then the trans has to think about it- and then shift- etc.....

The easier thing to do in this case-- is to grab the shifter--- and shift to L.

This will automatically shift you to 4th gear. Youll see a 4 appear on the DIC.
Going to 4th will also increase your RPMs..

So you have high rpms (about 3000-3500)- youre in a more responsive gear- and the shift occurs pretty fast...
any small press of the gas pedal results in pretty quick response from the engine/trans.

Once you complete your pass--- either use the +/- buttons to shift to 5th/6th--- or simply put it back into D... at which point it will soon go back into 5th/6th
 

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Carbon Flash said:
Accelerator is sticky in that when you are going around 60 you really got to step on it to get to 65. And can be hard to hold at 65. I was told by the dealer this is supposed to be like this as the computer is saving fuel and you have to step on it ask for power. He said it was a common complaint when the Acadia first came out.
You said you had issues at 60 mph, and while a TSB exists for issues occurring at lower speeds, I'm curious if your '08 had the re-calibration of the transmission performed yet. The re-calibration is described as follows:

#08-07-30-022: Hesitation or Flat Spot Between 56-80 km/h (35-50 mph) (Reprogram Transmission Control Module) - (May 8, 2008)

Subject: Hesitation or Flat Spot Between 56-80 km/h (35-50 mph) (Reprogram Transmission Control Module)
Models: 2008 Buick Enclave
2007-2008 GMC Acadia
2007-2008 Saturn OUTLOOK
with FWD or AWD
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Condition
Some customers may comment on a flat spot or hesitation between 56-80 km/h (35-50 mph) speed range.

Cause
The existing transmission calibration is programmed to maximize fuel economy and requires a greater throttle input than some customers would prefer to provide acceleration in this speed range.

Correction
A new calibration is available. This new calibration increases the speed required to obtain upshifts and removes TCC apply from 2nd to 3rd gear, thereby reducing engine lugging and improving vehicle response to accelerator input.

Important: This calibration will have a negative impact on fuel economy of 0-1.2 L/100 km (0-2 mpg) combined driving.

To obtain this calibration, contact Techline (TCSC) at 1-800-828-6860 (English) or 1-800-503-3222 (French). Techline will reconfigure the vehicle to make this calibration the default calibration for this vehicle.

The table below shows the Shift Pattern Change at Light Throttle.

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Current Calibration New Calibration
Shift MPH KPH MPH KPH
1-2 8 13 12 19
2-3 18 29 20 33
3-4 24 40 31 50
4-5 32 53 43 69
5-6 44 71 56 90

TCC Applied 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th 4th, 5th, 6th

Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:

Labor Operation Description Labor Time
K5364 Transmission Control Module Reprogram with SPS Use Published Labor Operation Time

Thanks GeoHawk! See original thread - http://www.acadiaforum.net/forum/index.php?topic=3729.0
 

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Hi there...please re-think having the Transmission callibration software update done...this has cost me over $5800 in excess fuel since 2009.
I am in a dispute with GM, they have done nothing for me and I have a LONG list of repairs since Ihave owned it. I promised GM I would let everyone know about this, so I do apologize if I am leaving anything out because I have told this story so many times!

After years of TERRIBLE Fuel consumption...I decided to track it, every fill up, for 8 months... Here is a 6 month snapshot...I get on average 11 MPG.

Columns in order go: Date, Mileage, Trip A, Gallons Filled at Pump, Cost of Fill Up, MPG, Price Per Gallon.

20120131 45811 211 16.76 $66.00 12.6 $3.95
20120202 46022 203 17.01 $65.00 11.9 $4.35
20120205 46225 189 18.01 $67.80 10.5 $4.21
20120210 46414 169 19.01 $85.65 8.9 $3.89
20120215 46583 176 19.02 $52.55 9.3 $3.79
20120222 46759 214 19.71 $67.81 10.9 $3.99
20120227 46973 221 18.42 $78.03 12.0 $4.19
20120229 47194 195 19.32 $74.50 10.1 $4.15
20120305 47389 213 18.69 $70.99 11.4 $4.11
20120312 47602 199 18.42 $75.02 10.8 $3.65
20120317 47801 173 18.74 $50.00 9.2 $4.01
20120319 47974 197 18.15 $69.32 10.9 $4.03
20120324 48171 228 18.67 $75.00 12.2 $3.99
20120331 48399 223 19.13 $76.19 11.7 $3.94
20120402 48622 201 18.51 $55.00 10.9 $4.02
20120407 48823 189 19.71 $60.01 9.6 $4.05
20120411 49012 167 14.85 $65.09 11.2 $3.97
20120415 49179 284 19.51 $44.11 14.6 $3.92
20120417 49463 176 19.51 $62.60 9.0 $3.99
20120423 49639 221 18.11 $74.71 12.2 $4.01
20120425 49860 170 19.13 $60.01 8.9 $4.05
20120507 49573 211 18.51 $85.00 11.4 $4.09
20120514 50112 174 17.21 $68.67 10.1 $3.99
20120514 49789 216 18.11 $72.11 11.9 $3.93
20120520 49790 224 16.76 $65.20 13.4 $3.89
20120524 50014 260 17.51 $61.24 14.8 $3.50
20120529 50286 238 19.71 $76.42 12.1 $3.88
20120604 50524 197 14.85 $55.85 13.3 $3.79
20120610 50721 204 19.51 $75.00 10.5 $3.86
20120616 50925 176 19.51 $75.00 9.0 $3.86
20120622 51101 211 18.11 $65.60 11.7 $3.65
20120630 51312 190 18.67 $74.87 10.2 $4.01
20120707 51479 187 19.24 $71.95 9.7 $3.73

AVERAGES 204.19 18.34 $67.82 11.1 $3.96

GM GAS CONSUMPTION ESTIMATED MPG City 16 Highway 22 AVERAGE 18
KM GAS CONSUMPTION ESTIMATED MPG City 9 Highway 15 AVERAGE 11
Difference of MPG: Advertised vs. Actual - 7MPG

Total Miles Driven with Updated Software - Current Miles 51k
At Software Update 9300 Total Miles 41,700 Driven with software update

Total Gallons of Fuel Required for 41k @ 18MPG - GM 2317 gallons .....Cost of Fuel $8692
Total Gallons of Fuel Required for 41k @ 11MPG - KM 3791 gallons......Cost of Fuel $13761
Difference of 1474 gallons and $5837 in excess fuel!!

On Average, the cost of that update Per month costs me $153 in fuel each month.
But without the software update, I was nearly rear ended several times because of the flat spot / lack of power and hesitation on the highway.


Items Replaced Since July 2008:
Sensor Camshaft, Cylinder Head Gasket, Dead Battery, Windshield Wiper Motor, Transmission Software Update (after multiple concerns), Airbag Wire Harness, Power Steering Rack & Gear, Front Pads and Rotors (1st time), Gasket for Intake Manifold, Gasket for Rear Valve Cover, Right Front Strut, Both Strut Mounts, Engine Mounts,Front Pads and Rotors (2nd time), Left Front Stabilizer Link, Front Pads and Rotors (3rd Time), Headlight Harness, Airbag Connector Kit, Engine Front Cover Crank Seal, Timing Cover Seal, Broken Bolts in Cylinder Head & Valve Cover, Exhaust Stud, Broken Bolts, Power Steering Pump, Hose & Clamp.
 

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Hello,

Thank you on all the input. You guys nailed "the sticky accerlerator" right on. I suppose I could ahve been more clear by detailing the point about the tac, how it shoots up to 3 when I step on it. I do belive I have heard about the update before, but I don't think I want to do that. I'm getting used to it so I'll stick with it since it saves gas.

The bounce I think is resolved as well. I have now had a third person look at it and they said at worst it must be the tires and that I should look into tires with a better side wall. Other than that shocks and struts are fine.

:blob: Now the REAL issue.... I had them look at the air bag. They said the sensor works fine, but you have to be over 140 lbs. They said any adult less then that has to sit in the back. They directed me to call GM and they CONFIRMED this!!! That is crazy! The average female is 95-130 lbs.
GM suggested I contact the national highway assoc and get permission to put in a switch to manually turn the bag on and off.....
However two days later I sat in the seat and I am over 140 and the air bag said it was off. I then punched the seat 4 times and it came on.. I called GM 2 days ago and asked if this was tied to the re-call and if the re-call needed to be re-called. They said they woudl get back to me.
 

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theres a procedure where they recalibrate the pad in the seat.
ZEROin the pad.

Like a scale-- where you zero it.
 

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interesting about that TSB and its shift points...

The table below shows the Shift Pattern Change at Light Throttle.

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Current Calibration New Calibration
Shift MPH KPH MPH KPH
1-2 8 13 12 19
2-3 18 29 20 33
3-4 24 40 31 50
4-5 32 53 43 69
5-6 44 71 56 90

TCC Applied 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th 4th, 5th, 6th
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heres some info from a thread I posted- and my shift points in my 2010... how I drive to get good MPGs...

went for a quick drive around the neighborhood---plotted this data-
starting with the blue line--- at about -77 (77 seconds since I began to log)....
I came to a complete stop--- as shown by the red-- 0 MPH in the 2nd graph...
I proceed to easily accelerate-
1-2 shift about 1850 RPM at about 10.5 MPH- continue to accelerate
2-3 shift about 2230 RPM at about 21 MPH- continue to accelerate
3-4 shift about 2200 RPM at about 33 MPH-

where I then reach a peak - about34 MPH--- yes 34 MPH in 4th gear...-- watching traffic down the street I notice theres a red light... no need to accelerate -- So I let off the gas...


 

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Kmanzi--- where are your shift points taking place?
 

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rbarrios said:
theres a procedure where they recalibrate the pad in the seat.
ZEROin the pad.

Like a scale-- where you zero it.
They did that. That's how they got me out the door because it worked at first for people over 140 after it was reset. So they used that reason and said they'd call Chevy for the fix to detect under 140. There wasn't one. And now a week later after only the second time the seat was used the air bag light did not show on for any weight.
 

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I don't have shift points like that, but I do know that in the higher speeds it definitely revs more before shifting...even after the software update. I feel like I am pulling a parachute all time, when you let off the gas, you almost fall forward - it's not like you let off the accelerator and coast....believe me, I know it does not operate properly, I do drive 70mph on the hwy, but at least on cruise to reduce the accelerating and braking...

But....I have traded it in as of today, I can no longer let this consume my time, GM didnt want to keep me as a customer and offer a complimentary repair coverage due to the fact it is a lemon, with so many major repairs, and more importantly, GM would not reimburse my excessive fuel consumption - which is certainly not what was advertised on the window sticker. I can see if it was a 2-3-4 mpg difference, but I am at a 7mpg difference, almost HALF of what they advertise!

GM left me no other options but to trade my car in, but at least I didn't fall for the bait and switch again....I will never be a GM consumer again. Why on earth would I buy another GM even if they offered me $3k towards a new car...that really isnt alot when you break it all down.
 

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For the seat issue, I had two cables replaced on the passenger seat. Both times the same thing, gave an air bag sensor warning. That and a busted water pump that was leaking, it caused the fan to run after the car was turned off. Wave plate breaking in transmission is what is happening to other vehicles.
 
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