[dss8653]

Need some help here. I have a 2009 Saturn Outlook. The wife comes home last night and has a shocked look on her face and tells the Outlook won't turn off and then hands me the keys. I thought it was a problem we were having with the radio staying on after the car was shut off. I go outside and the car is still running, no keys in the ignition. The shifter is locked like it's shut off, but the engine is running and revs if you hit the gas peddle. After inserting the key and turning it on and off 25 plus times it finally shut off. Now, it won't start. No warning lights, sounds or anything.
I used the search on here and found what some diagnosed as a battery issue.
Could that be what's causing this?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

 

[rbarrios]

Water Intrusion
April 1, 2008 4:00 PM
This information supplements an article in the March 2008 entitled Engine Running With Key Turned Off, which involves voltage on circuit 5985 with the key turned off. The condition described below can be a cause of this voltage.

The owner of an Acadia, Enclave or Outlook may comment that the engine continues to run after the ignition is turned off, or that the engine will not start. This may be the result of water intruding into the instrument panel (IP) BEC. Before proceeding with other diagnosis and repairs, here are some suggestions.

Water from the right front sunroof drain hose exits the vehicle (fig. 13). If it then re-enters the vehicle through the front of dash sheet metal, it can drip from the right side dash onto the IP BEC.

AÂ Â Water exits through drain hose

BÂ Â Water reenters and drips onto IP BEC from sheet metal

The seam must be properly sealed between the plenum upper and plenum reinforcement. This may be inspected from underhood through the opening in the cowl panel (fig. 14).

If there are voids in the bead of sealant, use medium-bodied sealant p/n 12378500 to reseal.


The area to be sealed may be reached through two openings, and the seam must be sealed for its entire length (fig. 15).

AÂ Â Access opening

BÂ Â Access opening

CÂ Â Length of seam sealÂ

TIP:Â Sealant may be applied with the fingertip or with a plastic trim tool

 

[rbarrios]

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Engine Running With Key Turned Off
March 1, 2008 8:06 PM
On an Enclave, Acadia or Outlook, the engine may continue running with the ignition key turned off. This can happen if circuit 5985 (the ignition 1 circuit going to the ECM) has 5 volts or more on it when the ignition key is turned off.

Check circuit 5985 at the ECM for voltage (5 volts or more) with the ignition key turned off.
If voltage is found on circuit 5985, remove the fuse for the BCM and the TCM one at a time, and see if the engine turns off. If the engine does not turn off, and there is still 5 volts or more on circuit 5985, check circuit 5985 for a short to voltage concern. If the engine doesturn off when pulling the BCM or TCM fuse, replace the module that caused the engine to turn off with the fuse removed.

 

[Wingmn]

Holy Cow! That's a comforting thought..... Perhaps a TSB? or a recall.... That's kinda scary. Just my opinion.

 

[6Sixathome]

AWESOME!, something else for us '09 owners to look forward to, JK I hope you get it resolved

 

[topdollar69]

I just had the same problem, and some other strange electrical problems. First of all the battery was going dead overnight, even after I installed a brand new Interstate battery. Our Outlook is an 07 XR with the dual sunroofs and navigation. After many hours searching for dead battery issues I found a bunch of different solutions. However after continuing to drive the Outlook things got stranger. First of all the rear wiper would turn on for no reason even with the switch turned off. Then the temp gauge quit working and I got the Engine hot, ac disabled alarm on the DIC. After that there was a strange high pitch noise coming from under the hood. I was able to pin point it to the ECM, and the transmission. I unplugged both and the noise went away. After removing the underdash fuse panel assembly, about half a cup of water poured out of it, strange since it looked dry from the outside. I was able to take it apart and clean it up, there was some corrosion but not bad. After also cleaning the corrosion of the top three plugs that go into the fuse panel I am happy to report all of my electrical gremlins have vanished. Now I just need to reseal that seam in the cowl before it rains again. I hope this helps some other Lambda owners who are going crazy over dead batteries and electrical gremlins. I will post pictures of the fuse panel if there is an interest. I have before and after cleaning pictures.

 

[sailfish]

I just had the same problem, and some other strange electrical problems. First of all the battery was going dead overnight, even after I installed a brand new Interstate battery. Our Outlook is an 07 XR with the dual sunroofs and navigation. After many hours searching for dead battery issues I found a bunch of different solutions. However after continuing to drive the Outlook things got stranger. First of all the rear wiper would turn on for no reason even with the switch turned off. Then the temp gauge quit working and I got the Engine hot, ac disabled alarm on the DIC. After that there was a strange high pitch noise coming from under the hood. I was able to pin point it to the ECM, and the transmission. I unplugged both and the noise went away. After removing the underdash fuse panel assembly, about half a cup of water poured out of it, strange since it looked dry from the outside. I was able to take it apart and clean it up, there was some corrosion but not bad. After also cleaning the corrosion of the top three plugs that go into the fuse panel I am happy to report all of my electrical gremlins have vanished. Now I just need to reseal that seam in the cowl before it rains again. I hope this helps some other Lambda owners who are going crazy over dead batteries and electrical gremlins. I will post pictures of the fuse panel if there is an interest. I have before and after cleaning pictures.

Electrical gremlins are more than likely created from water intrusion into your vehicle. I also had sunroofs on my 07 Outlook and had leaks galore. My 11 Enclave....no sunroof and I do not ever plan on having a sunroof in any future vehicle.

Good luck and hope you have solved your issues. Yes please post photographs as I know I would be interesting in seeing your work.

 

[larrod25]

I have 2008 Outlook XR, which I purchased 6 weeks ago. It is starting to have this same issue. I see instructions on sealing the leak, but is there anyone who can tell me how to get to the fuse box to clean the water out? Is this something I can do myself? Has anyone had this fixed at a GM Dealer? How much can I expect this to cost? Thanks in advance for any response on this.

 

[rbarrios]

I have 2008 Outlook XR, which I purchased 6 weeks ago. It is starting to have this same issue. I see instructions on sealing the leak, but is there anyone who can tell me how to get to the fuse box to clean the water out? Is this something I can do myself? Has anyone had this fixed at a GM Dealer? How much can I expect this to cost? Thanks in advance for any response on this.

you may also want to ask on the acadia, traverse, enclave forum--
as they also experience this.

 

[larrod25]

I paid Bently GMC service department in Huntsville, AL $1625 to replace the fuse panel and "fix" the leaks. They had my care for 6 business days. I've had it back for less than a week, and I have already had water come through the glove box. Back to the shop again tomorrow :banghead:

 

[topdollar69]

I will have to do some searching to see if I still have those pictures that I took. It was a pretty simple procedure to take the fuse block out, and apart to dry-clean it. Sealing the seam on the body was a different story. It's almost impossible to reach the area that needs to be sealed, and you end up getting more sealant on your hand than the body seam. However, it must have worked because I have not had anymore water in the vehicle, or strange electrical problems since sealing it.

 

[topdollar69]

It's been a long time coming, but I found the pics I took of my fuse block on my old laptop.

 

[SurfnWolf]

Just had this SAME PROBlem..so I dropped the fuse box let it dry and sprayed electrical cleaner and also some bulb grease. One thing I think that everyone should try. On the rubber gasket that attached to the firewall I bought a .40 Cent hose from Lowes that fits into the opposite side, and extended the tube all the way into the tire wheel well, that way there is no water running down the back side of the firewall. If that dont work..I think I will just replace the whole tubing on the drain... Run it from the wheel well...all the way to the sunroof with no joint at the firewall..so it cant leak there.

 

[saturnsrings]

Definitely water intrusion - this same thing happened to me, we took it to the repair shop and there had been water leakage that was causing the problem. Easy enough fix

 

[ShortTrippin']

Re: Car won't shut off.

Just went through the same thing here, Thanks to all of those who have posted about this issue. I took the fuse block out and right away noticed where water had affected the fuse block. I removed the fuse block and the A pillar covers. Disassembled the fuse block and cleaned all the connectors and applied a thin coat of some electrical grease. getting the fuse block back in was a struggle and I had to loosen the nuts holding the blower assembly to the dash for a little extra room. Now it was on to the leak. I pulled the drain tubes away from the elbow in the firewall and poured water in the sunroof channel and the water drained easily so now I know the tubes are not clogged. You will need to remove the windshield wiper arms and the front cowl for the next part. I found that the elbow grommet drains under the cowl so I bought some tubing and ran it down the inside of the fender so it will drain away from the cowl and never reach the fuse panel. Thanks again for the info it was very helpful and saved me the hassle of convincing the dealer and paying $110 an hour for labor. This is my first post on this forum.

 

[jamesgangwest]

Glad to hear it's not gremlins, and plenty of answers and suggestions, since this started with our '09 Outlook two days ago. We were able to take the keys out of the ignition and the car continued to run. We were coming out and finding the battery dead. And we DO have a front sunroof leak that has been exiting airbags, dash, wherever it can find an exit. Now that the rain has stopped, I guess we'll have to start sealing and drying everything out!

 

[fish]

Thanks for the posts! I have an '07 Outlook that has had the periodic sunroof leak, but has never had the battery/run on issue until yesterday. I'll have to try the remedies over the weekend before taking it to the mechanic.

 

[Fathazluv]

I just had the same problem, and some other strange electrical problems. First of all the battery was going dead overnight, even after I installed a brand new Interstate battery. Our Outlook is an 07 XR with the dual sunroofs and navigation. After many hours searching for dead battery issues I found a bunch of different solutions. However after continuing to drive the Outlook things got stranger. First of all the rear wiper would turn on for no reason even with the switch turned off. Then the temp gauge quit working and I got the Engine hot, ac disabled alarm on the DIC. After that there was a strange high pitch noise coming from under the hood. I was able to pin point it to the ECM, and the transmission. I unplugged both and the noise went away. After removing the underdash fuse panel assembly, about half a cup of water poured out of it, strange since it looked dry from the outside. I was able to take it apart and clean it up, there was some corrosion but not bad. After also cleaning the corrosion of the top three plugs that go into the fuse panel I am happy to report all of my electrical gremlins have vanished. Now I just need to reseal that seam in the cowl before it rains again. I hope this helps some other Lambda owners who are going crazy over dead batteries and electrical gremlins. I will post pictures of the fuse panel if there is an interest. I have before and after cleaning pictures.

This is what's going on with my 2008 Saturn outlook.

 

[Fathazluv]

This is what's going on with my 2008 Saturn outlook.

Please post your pictures as I have had water pouring in onto my driver and passenger side floor. I'm sure this will solve my issues

 

[Fathazluv]

Re: Car won't shut off.

Just went through the same thing here, Thanks to all of those who have posted about this issue. I took the fuse block out and right away noticed where water had affected the fuse block. I removed the fuse block and the A pillar covers. Disassembled the fuse block and cleaned all the connectors and applied a thin coat of some electrical grease. getting the fuse block back in was a struggle and I had to loosen the nuts holding the blower assembly to the dash for a little extra room. Now it was on to the leak. I pulled the drain tubes away from the elbow in the firewall and poured water in the sunroof channel and the water drained easily so now I know the tubes are not clogged. You will need to remove the windshield wiper arms and the front cowl for the next part. I found that the elbow grommet drains under the cowl so I bought some tubing and ran it down the inside of the fender so it will drain away from the cowl and never reach the fuse panel. Thanks again for the info it was very helpful and saved me the hassle of convincing the dealer and paying $110 an hour for labor. This is my first post on this forum.

Man I wish you make aYouTube video explaining what to do. I bet you would go viral for your time.