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Kevin, I ordered the factory Nav upgrade kit.  It should be here late this week.  I do have one question (so far).  In your instructions when you removed the A-pillar trim you noted having to remove a fastener under the airbag cover.  My pass A-pillar does not have an airbag cover (unlike the drivers side which does). The 09 has upgraded airbags based on another post i saw. I assume that removing the grab handle fasteners is all I need do to remove the pass side A-pillar trim. Does it just pop off or are there other clips on the A-pillar trim?
 

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I am not sure how it is held on now. My guess is there will be a plastic "tree" fastener under it, but to be sure go to a Saturn dealer and they can print off the procedures for removing it. The exploded view will show you what to expect.

Good luck.
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I was able to finally get the time to install my new nav system in my wifes 09 Outlook XR. It was really quite easy thanks to Kevins great instructions. ( I will post pics in a day or two to follow-up). The kit that I purchased was from Ebay member Tauk. He ended up having the best price for the full kit with new equipment. He has many auctions for nav radios. I found him to be very helpful and delivered exactly what he promised with support. I would buy from him again without hesitation.

I received a new 09 Nav radio (with DVD/RSE outs), a GPS antenna, Nav Disk 7.3 (latest) a manual, and a VSS/Voice cable for $1125 delivered. Everything was brand new, sealed. Since the radio had never been installed there was no theft lock and it did not therefore require any dealer programming. The only issue that I had was that my car was not pre-wired with the C4 connector which contains the VSS (vehicle speed sensor). As a result I had to use the C4 connector that came in my kit and tap into the VSS signal at a junction box under the dash. It was quite easy. My C4 connector from the kit is also wired to accept a backup camera input and Tony (TAUK) told me that next month the OEM camera supplier will have a full kit for Lamda's for about $250. I may do this upgrade and the pre-wired C4 will be helpful. I also backed-up my NAV disk onto my network and made a backup disk just in case. The NAV DVD has about 8GB of data on it so its quite large and required DVD-DL disk.

The Nav works great and overall very pleased. I have owned/used Garmin and Magellan PND's and the Nav function seems quite comparable. There was no way I was going spring for 2400 from the factory so a little over 1K seems like a decent deal. I was very close to putting a Kenwood nav in but really wanted the factory integration and did not like the need to have several extra boxes to make the steering wheel controls and other functions operate. I was looking at a Kenwood DNX5120 with a couple of PAC integration boxes, dash kit and cables it was about the same cost as the radio from Tony. I will probably add one of the Ipod integration devices (I'd like the GM PAL) in the future as well as the camera. I was able to find the full pinout for all the radio connectors and I can see that the C3 connector has the DVD video outputs on it so I can run a remote monitor if I want to. I have asked Tony to get me a C3 connector so I can have that option available. I would not hesitate to recommend to anyone who wants to upgrade to a NAV radio consider this option.
 

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Doug, Glad to hear it went well. I was hoping my photos and instructions would be useful to someone someday.
I agree, Tony (Tauk) is very helpful. I am waiting for the arrival of my second NAV unit from him for my new Buick Lucerne. I would recommend anyone seek him out for one of these units.

I have a question on the VSS junction connection under the dash. Where is it? Right now I am looking at tapping into a suspected VSS wire in a bundle going to the speedometer. Is there a direct plug in? Any pictures would be helpful on this detail.

Thanks!
Kevin
 

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Kevin with your instructions I was in and out in 1.5 hrs. Your great documentation really helped! In my Outlook there is a junction box mounted under the driver's side dash just above the parking brake lever. The box has 6-8 connectors plugged in. It was hard to miss as its quite large and held in by a simple plastic clip. You must remove the lower dash panel to get to it. The panel is held on with 3 push-in connectors. VSS is dark green with a white stripe and was easily found. I tapped in with radio shack crimp on connector and ran the wire to the radio compartment (~ 2 ft of wire). I soldered and heatshrinked the connection at C4 and did a quick continuity check with dental picks in the connectors. A few wire ties later.. We love the radio and Tony was very helpful.
 

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Thanks Doug. The dark green wire with white tracer must be a convention for GM as this is the color combo on the Buick Lucerne. Another gent making the NAV upgrade on his Buick found the green/white VSS wire at the speedo, so I feel more confident about tapping it here since I have the dash pad off any way for the install.

While driving yesterday I was using the OnStar Turn-By-Turn navigation and it got me wondering how it gets the position right without the NAV antenna. I assume it uses the OnStar antenna and a VSS going into the existing radio. I was thinking these should be sufficient to work in the NAV unit, but obviously not. Someday I hope to figure this out.....

Thanks for the tips on the VSS.
 

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Kevin, more nutty stuff from GM's dept of redundancy department. The Continental OnStar Module (used to be Moto) has a TI GPS receiver/Tri-band GSM radio. Its a TI part with pretty good GPS performance. The Sharkfin antenna on the roof is a combo GSM/GPS antenna. The car already has GPS data on the GM-lan bus! Onstar has GPS nav data which is how it does turn-turn and emergency locate. Why cant they just use this data for all the systems. The in-dash Nav is somewhat compromised due to sub-optimal antenna location. The Sharkfin location is awesome and it gets to use the roof as ground plane to boot. At least they could have pumped that antenna feed to the nav station. Continental's US automotive engineering is based about 2 miles from my house and when Moto sold it last year a lot of staff left and some of them came over to work at my company. The irony was that Moto's on star boxes had no Moto content, they sourced mainly from TI.
Today I noticed that if you select a POI and get the info you have an option to call the number which auto linked with the on-board bluetooth. Neat. I really think its a pretty good nav system.
 

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Doug, that's kind of what I thought about the OnStar and NAV GPS being separate. In areas where cost cutting could be made, you would think using one antenna would be a good idea. Especially with the optimum antenna location on the roof. Oh well....
 

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My next odyssey will be to make a harness for the back-up camera and remote DVD screen. I think I will just terminate it in the jack compartment till I decide what to do about the camera and screen.
 

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Is it just me, or is there no document or pictures attached to the first few posts in this thread? The title is exactly what I was looking for, but I can't see any content....Is there a URL link or a document attached that I'm not seeing???

...or is this just an old post and the data has been archived?
...or is it possible that I just can't see it because I haven't made any posts?

arghhh... darn it.
 

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I installed a kenwood navigation unit into a 2010 arcadia because the customer said the garmin he bought wouldnt work from inside the vehicle. he said it was the glass. He wanted me to install a unit that would allow for an external antenna mounted gps unit. When installing the unit i ran the gps antenna under driver dash, up the driver pilla, along the roof line to the rear gate and mounted it on the roof on the back of the vehicle. the gps unit will not aquire satelites even now. I cant seem to find a resolution, but im waiting for him to bring the car back so i can trouble shoot some ideas.
 

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thats interesting since the factory GPS antenna literally sits under the dash in the center console...
The Acadia- may have had a HUD system- the glass has a layer- but that shouldnt cause an issue.
Do they have any other electronics in there?

I would test a 2nd antenna- and or another GPS unit-(handheld) and see what it does as you approach the vehicle and get in.
 

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My Acadia has a HUD and I use a TomTom GPS without any reception issue; the front glass isn't the issue. Why run the GPS antenna all the way to the rear lift gate; anywhere outside the vehicle should work
 

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Hi Kevin,

Once again, thanks for the install instructions.

They saved me, and I am sure everybody else, a lot of time.

Just wanted to let everybody know that the BROWN PLUG behind the factory radio on the 2008 models contains the VCIM wiring and the BACKUP CAMERA wiring, making it Plug & Play.

If you did an install on your 2007, I guess they have it too!!!

After I put in the Nav unit (making sure to plug in the BROWN PLUG), the Nav unit tracking was spot on.

Once again, thank you VERY MUCH !!!

George
 

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Excellent write up. Do you know if this is a possible mod for an '08 XE? I'd like to add the backup camera if possible, but I'm assuming this will need a lot more parts due to not being an XR. Just curious.
 

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It's all about the body wiring harness.

The XR has all the wiring you already need for plug and play.

Not sure about the XE

I would recommend hooking up with a good GM parts department.

Give them your VIN number and have them look it up.

If you have any issues, let me know what part number your body wiring harness is and I will see if I can double check it for you.

Thanks,
George
 
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